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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 30, 2010 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around

Can we please all agree that "Donor Rap" like "Tuning" is not a song, will be part of every show, has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of a show, and does not need to be mentioned in the set lists anymore.

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Jul 30, 2010 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

I say the following trying to be respectful to you & to organ donors & to Phil & other recipients:

Every single mention/reminder of the whole organ/blood donor program should be recognized, pondered over, mentioned to your loved ones/next of kin, & argued about with acquaintances. Now I'm for respecting the religious practices of Gypsies & Rastafarians, but I know of no other 'legitimate' reason to avoid organ donation (please respond with some...)

You, me, and anyone else who (gives a f...) cares for a(nother) soul should try to brighten each & every day for as many as possible. Facilitate a Miracle; spread a little Lovin''cause Paradise waits; we all know all the catch phrases in the music we love.

Our friend Micah6vs8's namesake says
"He has showed you, O man, what is good.
And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy
and to walk humbly with your God."

Not tryin' to get all preachy, but Phil (& Greg Allman, for examples) wouldn't 'be here now' if it weren't for the miracle of 'exorcism' that is a liver transplant! I'm mostly a lurker in this forum, but I consider y'all my friends: so I expect to give & get a bit of a good-natured hard time now & then.

I've got atheist friends (hey, Sam), so consider the GOD thing as a convenient construct if the mention offends. If Christianity offends, well *I* think these days it would often offend Christ himself, too. But what Christ taught is hard to argue with: (If I may paraphrase) "~if you love, live, & think like I do, then you'll have no Karma to overcome/work out/(re)live through & life will be better for all.~" For you of the Abrahamic faiths, it can be summed up as Luke 10:27: "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself."

Sorry for the rant: I REALLY hope I've offended no one (OR maybe, at some level, I hope I've offended everyone, including me, myself). It just seems that a little less selfishness by each of us would make this here shinin' ball of blue a little better home for all of us.

Even for the purely selfish petty reason of knowing whether the encore was 1 or 2 songs, please keep the Donor Rap in the setlist...
Have a good day & better & better tomorrows

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 30, 2010 1:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

I have been an organ donor for over 30 years and I have always encouraged everyone to be the same.

I had no idea that asking to leave the "donor rap" out of setlists would initiate a sermon.

I appreciate that you feel that issues like this cannot be mentioned enough, and I agree that it is an important, life saving issue. I did not say, nor am I suggesting, that Phil should stop his rap, or that there are not people out there who are hearing a very important message for the first time. I just suggested that the words "donor rap" do not appear on set lists submitted to this forum for discussion. I won't be offended if the words continue to appear in setlists.

When someone makes a statement like "not trying to get all preachy" you know that that's exactly the very next thing they are going to do. Don't offer false apologies. If you were truly "sorry for the rant", you would not have posted it here in the first place.

Honestly, as much as I love this site and the folks here, this is not where I come for my spiritual (or political) advice, discussion or lectures.

I am very interested in your opinion of which Morning Dew really blows your socks off, or what you think are the best (or worst) era, shows, keyboardist, songs, venues, etc and why. In this forum, at least, I have no interest in what your God has to say or what your interpretation of that is.

I know that these issues appear in this site from time to time. I'm just one guy here and speak only for myself when I say that, personally, I would prefer that religion and politics be left out of this forum. All of us here are united by love of this music and band, and we can't even agree on the particulars of that.

The folks here span the political and religious spectrum, and I, for one, would appreciate it if these issues were addressed in more appropriate forums.

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2010-07-30 20:47:45

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 30, 2010 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

Sept. 87 Dew at MSG b/c nothing like the energy of a NYC show in the Garden and I was there w/ a bunch of my (still) closest friends and those days it could be quite hit or miss to catch a good one and that night still brings me some chills when I relisten.



For others:

Anne Rice leaves Christianity
Legendary author Anne Rice has announced that she’s quitting Christianity.

The “Interview with a Vampire” author, who wrote a book about her spirituality titled "Called Out of Darkness: A Spiritual Confession" in 2008, said Wednesday that she refuses to be “anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat.”

Rice wrote, “For those who care, and I understand if you don't: Today I quit being a Christian ... It's simply impossible for me to ‘belong’ to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I've tried. I've failed. I'm an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.”


Rice then added another post explaining her decision on Thursday:

“My faith in Christ is central to my life. My conversion from a pessimistic atheist lost in a world I didn't understand, to an optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God is crucial to me," Rice wrote. "But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been or might become.”

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jul 30, 2010 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

" have been an organ donor for over 30 years and I have always encouraged everyone to be the same."

Awww shit, P-Gel! They were supposed to wait till AFTER you died.


TOOTMO

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 30, 2010 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

LOL... in that spirit, here's the Monty Python skit about organ donors. I love the portrait of Haile Selasie in the front hall.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tmLvzubP3I

John Cleese: "What's This Then?"

Terry Gilliam: "A liver donor's card"

JC: "Need we say more?"

TG: "I can't give it to you now, it's in the event of death"

JC: "Nobody who has ever had a liver taken out by us has survived"

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2010-07-30 21:11:02

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jul 30, 2010 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

Hello. Uhh, can we have your liver?
My what?
Your liver. It's a large, ehh, glandular organ in your abdomen.
You know, it's, uh,-- it's reddish-brown. It's sort of, uhh,--
Yeah,-- y-- y-- yeah, I know what it is, but... I'm using it, eh.
Come on, sir.
Hey! Hey! Stop!
Don't muck us about.
Stop! Hey! Hey! Stop it. Hey!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 30, 2010 1:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

Hey PG--we go way back, and at least on my end, with good feelings toward one another.

I suppose I've bored everyone else with my recent drivel about what I am doing here, but frankly, it is to do most anything BUT rehash the same stuff I was (DEAD and 68, etc)for three yrs.

Eventually, it just gets tedious. Now, it may be my early era bias, but if I branched out, it would just be so much negativity, so why bother?

I think it's abundantly clear that this place is so much more than a DEAD related enterprise that it goes without saying that, I daresay, the most well informed, educational post by LiA (no offense, man) isn't as often read and responded to with real joy and excitment as many of the "off topic" posts...

Maybe I am the only one that feels this way, but most all the others I've conversed with have long accepted that "burn out" is a logical outcome of being here a few yrs, and there simply has to be more here than DEAD related posts...

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 30, 2010 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

I agree, and I am as guilty of non-dead posts as the next guy (or gal). For the most part, however, religion and politics have been avoided as subjects here, and I, personally, prefer it that way.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 30, 2010 2:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

I can appreciate that...thanks for the kind worded response to my over the top one.

I suppose that because I think of us as a "family" now, in which birth, death (argh), and so many other kinds of posts are now accepted (well, at least by those that don't still adhere to the "DEAD only!" perspective...to which I once ascribed), that I would take your recommendation in the same spirit as with families (ie, the old, "never talk politics or religion!") in which it happens nonetheless...

Thanks, man.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 30, 2010 2:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

I agree with you about the religion and politics and for the most part avoid these discussions like the plague. I'll pitch in with the musical bullshitting so long as I think there's a reasonable probability that I won't get caught out making it all up as I go along. But mostly I'll just grab every chance I get to be an objectionable smartass.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 30, 2010 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

"But mostly I'll just grab every chance I get to be an objectionable smartass."

Members of an avian species of identical plumage congregate

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 30, 2010 2:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

Your aerie or mine you extravagantly plumaged avian canine?

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Poster: Jack o' Roses Date: Jul 30, 2010 6:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around -2 Dew list; Politics; Influences on the Dead

Simple reply:
2 Dew List-
4/14/84
7/18/90

Politics-
Bob Marley's position on politics: Like Christ on the Cross, look to the left , you look to the right, what do you see?
THIEVES

Influences on the Dead-
Sam "Lightnin'" Hopkins streamin' ~ 16 shows at Wolfie's Vault-'Ain't it Crazy?' & a lot more (Trouble in Mind, Mojo Hand, Katie Mae, an unfamiliar "Mr. Charlie"

Love You All, Happy Trails

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jul 30, 2010 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

You have a good point, and I can't find too much to disagree with, just to say any forum that can tackle the difficult topic of religious opinion in the same breath as vomit assault can't be all bad.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 30, 2010 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

Good point.

And Now For Something Completely Different!!!

Just to lighten the mood, here's the "Vomit" sketch from Monty Python's "Meaning Of Life"... In Philadelphia, John Cleese's character would have been arrested and charged with inciting vomit assault on the poor guy who gets his back puked on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2Bs1ZZ-7b8

I love it "just one thin mint!"

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2010-07-30 20:56:15

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 30, 2010 7:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

yeah but here's a funny story

I've always been an organ donor. Last year at the State Fair there was a donor booth that asked me if i was and i said yes then proceeded to tell me i could donate my effin kidney while i was still alive. I said i'll keep them both for now just in case. VULTURES.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 30, 2010 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

I'm an organ donor and encourage others to be as well.

FYI, love this part of your very nice post:
"I think these days it would often offend Christ himself"

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Gandhi

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jul 30, 2010 12:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

Oh, snap.

That'll bring 'em out of the wood work.

Excellent use of an excellent quote.

Yeah, pretty sure good ol' Christ would have thought the Crusades were an excellent idea (note the heavy use of sarcasm here).

Sorry if I've aided in fanning the flames of a very sensitive topic, but it's Friday and I'm feeling enflamatory. Or maybe it's just the carne asada burrito coming back up. Either way, it's gonna be a "Ring of Fire" in a few hours no matter how you look at it.

As for the topic of organ donors, I also concur that it is a topic that deserves more attention than it currently gets. So if Phil can get just one person to change his mind during a show, he's made it more than worth it.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2010-07-30 19:57:10

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Jul 30, 2010 12:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around *Donor Rap worth mentioning*

Important humanitarian and compassionate topic - well said

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 30, 2010 4:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around

well it think it's labelled so you know which track to skip. might as well just cut it out entirely. hey that ties in with the drums thread. I'd cut that one out but its not long enough to save room. oh yeah and i dont collect any post jerry stuff other than a few phil shows with kimock and others

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Jul 30, 2010 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: comin' around

Well said.
Now, he could try putting a melody to it. Afterall, I'd say that "Take Another Step Back" was a fine effort.

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